one for a simple, knsd, channel four, nbc in chicago, we want more in-depth work, meanwhile the exciting new start-ups in a scene diego was doing great work so they worked out a deal, voice of san diego gas, a few times a week and a segment called san diego explain and another one called a san diego fact check. it makes the newscast better and it is a huge value to the voice of san diego that gets fantastic exposure. they can then go back to the donors and look at the impact we are having and we are seeing is actually quite a lot and it's -- i think it is potentially a model five years from now we may look at and say this became a really significant element in this ecosystem. to work it does require some nonprofits to have a critical mass of revenue. it requires them to have functional business models. so, where does this leave us? the diagnosis to oversimplifying this is - i local, better than ever come of local, municipal level really struggling, national we really haven't talked much about and it is quite a dynamic sere we have our complaints about particular national media and things